Thread: Refunds and Religion

Sharepro Then also on the law >>>Jesus said Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished” (Matthew 5:17-18).

To be quite honest, I'm not christian so what Jesus says is really of no consequence to me. But I do believe in the 5 books of Moses and the old testement. I honestly don't think the bible (old testement) was ever meant to fall into gentile hands. Actually, I think that's a curse. If God wants to talk to Christians, he doesnt need to spread the word via the Jews.

Fact is, in the book God says he made a covenant with the Jews. I dont think that Gentiles are required to keep the 10 commandments. I mean for me, there is no difference between ancient day Egyptians and modern day Christians. For me, it's anything but not a Jew. Since God said he was giving the rules and commandments to the sons of Jacob, and since everybody else doesn't have that birthright - I think everybody else just has an opinion worth very little about our people, our rules, etc.

According to the stories, Jesus was Jewish. I know that Jesus existed because he's spoken about in the Talmud. Christians dont have copies of the Talmud, nor do they study it cause its very cryptic - and requires not only very strong knowledge of Hebrew, but also very strong knowledge of Aramaic.

If I was a Christian, I can tell you 100% that I would not believe that Jesus existed, cause there is zero proof besides our Jewish records from that time era.

So if I'm going according to Jewish records, I need to go 100% according to them and not say "this is true" and "this is not true". Hundreds of years after his death, that is what the Christians essentially did. Obviously, Jesus had a semi-political - semi theological - semi-social movement going.

Christianity was formed several hundreds of years after Jesus died. The "Gospel" was written outside of Israel in the distant Greece. So its not just distance, but also language conversion. If Jesus spoke Aramaic/Hebrew, and your writing his words in Greece (which at the time, the semantics of the language was full of paganism), I find it hard to understand how you can take it seriously.

You see, we all think in language. That is what divides people. Languages at that time we're full of political, social, monarchy, religious, and other symbolism.

You see, 2000 years ago, the Roman empire was very good about keeping records on it's subjects. Just like in the ancient Pharoh times (1500 before Christ), when a child was born the Egyptians kept records so that they could drown the jewish infant in the sea - the Romans had records for tax and other purposes. Problem was that Mary wasnt married. Imagine today getting pregnant in Saudia Arabia or Iran without being married. They'd stone you. Simple as said.

So she and her boyfriend escaped local attacks. At the time, it was illegal for a women to be alone with a man in the same room - if she was not married. So why Joe would agree if some other immortal being knocked her up? Sorry, just not clear - cause I didnt see where God talks to Joe and says "Hey, watch out for my immortal kid".

I mean if a women got pregnant via immortal means, why the hell would she later marry a mortal to make it look normal? I know what I am saying puts some people in rage - as if "My god, since you don't accept this - your going to burn in hell". Nope, I don't accept this.

Now let me flip things around...

The miracles that Moses did were 10,000 times more powerful than Jesus cause he didn't pick individuals ears off the ground and put them back on. Guys like Chris Angel can do that.

According to text, Moses did miracles that effected an entire race by parting the sea, or hitting a rock to give water to everybody, etc. In other words, the big difference is that one person stated that he was immortal - hence the son of god, doing miracles for specific individuals - yet only the few actually benefited. Afterall, the immortal only had 2 hands and was in a specific place on earth that not everybody had access to.

On the contrary, Moses who was 100% mortal - did for all Jews. His miracles did not affect the individual, rather the entire race. Parting the sea, water from a stone, sending 10,000 people to take down millions of residents of Canaan and not one soldier being hurt, etc., was incomprehendable.

So as a result, I believe Moses and within the 10 commandments, it clearly says not to believe in anything besides one god. No holy spirit, no gospel, no crosses, no symbolisms, and more importantly, no exceptions. etc., etc. One God, one People. For us Jews, unity is more important than anything. That is what Jews believe in.

I will say one thing about us crazy Jewish people. We are 100% non-missionaric. So don't mistake what I am writing to suggest to you to become Jewish. I'm only answering the original message relative to "religion vs evidence" - specifically after somebody mentioned Jesus - to show that there is a flip side of the coin. Obviously, this is NOT to hurt anybody's feelings.

For us Jews, we don't try to convert anybody. For thousands of years, we have remained a very exclusive people and perhaps our desire to remain that way is the reason we are hated so much.

If you go to a local rabbi and say "hey, I want to be Jewish", he will say "We don't want you". The fact is, Rabbi's are not single handed allowed to accept a gentile into our religion. It has to go up before a full rabbinical court - and that happens only after the person converting has spent several years studying Judiasm and demonstrating his/her knowledge.

In other words, to be Jewish is a birthright. Sure, you can convert, but that takes a process of about 3 years to do. Really difficult cause at the end of the process, you must give up your parents and your previous family as if your "born again", hence they no longer are your family. Anybody who isn't willing to do that cannot convert. I mean 100% give up your previous eating habits and diet, your family, sibblings, and often your profession and everything else. So no, I don't advise becoming Jewish to any Gentile. I mean you really got to want it.

I know, lots of you are saying "Wow, that can't be right". Guess what? Religion to me is not about mortals deciding what is "right" or "wrong". Its accepting something above you to define for you what is right or wrong. If you don't accept it, then it's not your religion. So in conclusion, I accept the Jewish version in it's entirety and also understand that other people choose to believe otherwise.

Don't get me wrong. We don't think less of gentiles - rather just think their task in this life is different then that of a Jew. In other words, just like you have hands and feet. 2 different sets of organs for 2 different jobs. There are 6 billion people in this world, and less than 4 million Jews in Israel and it amazes me that we are so much hated. haha. You'd think the world has better things to do with their lives.

But since we're talking about such a small people, I want you to watch this short Youtube. I think you will be impressed about us!

The creator of the sun, moon and stars is a man who lived 2000 years ago?

He came to save my sins when I didn't even sin 2000 years ago?

Anyway, I don't believe that and this really isn't a religious board so to be quite honest, let's just agree not to agree.

Well, Jesus died. Chris got cut in half and remained conscious.